Nyaa archive 1084428

Kishuku Gakkou no Juliet - 01 [720p] [RATS]

Saved on 2019-01-22 19:15:10. This copy includes the description and comments available at capture.

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ratsratswearetherats
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Anime - English-translated
Published
2018-10-14 19:10:42
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299.4 MiB
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f6e8e650a5ce5d2a0a2a763d4bf04c963e324604
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Description

Pretend this torrent never existed and go download the v2: https://nyaa.si/view/1085539

Comments 13

Well...
As the HS releases are the only ones out there, I might as well pick up your release.
Thnx in advance!

Based on first 20 seconds:

  • Don't just remux simulcast rip (why are you crediting encoder if you aren't encoding, at least make chapters or something), they generally suck and most of time you would be better off reencoding 1080p using > handbrake. 1080p has a better audio track, too.
  • Timing sucks. Read any cartel-approved guide before attempting anything (hell, even doki's will do)
  • Typeset is almost as bad as Amazon's. Like, holy shit, how the fuck do you mistime the fade by 500ms. Font is broken, too.
  • The outline is pretty bright

post-OP edit: The pink outline and obviously wrong romaji certainly does make it seem like trollsubs. (protip: don't do romaji)

@zsax
1, 3, and 4 are fair criticisms, but I have a bone to pick about #2.

1: I didn't think to put in chapters; will try that in the next episode. What I meant by encoder was that I (ABlueToothbrush speaking) ran the ffmpeg commands to splice everything together. I did 720p because I figured the most people would want that based on HorribleSubs' leech numbers. I guess it wouldn't be that hard to do 1080p as well, though I honestly didn't notice any problems in the audio track and I was listening with headphones.
2: First of all, 20 seconds isn't enough to tell the consistency in timing for an entire episode. The first 20 seconds barely have any dialogue anyway. Secondly, while our timing is far from perfect, I promise it is at least noticeably better than HorribleSubs, especially when it comes to signs (aside from the fading issue, which I'll get to later). The way they had it the sign subs would interrupt the dialogue, which is totally unnecessary and especially annoying when both characters are talking fast.
3: I understand that the fading is slightly off. I need to get better at that, but at the point of upload I was sick of nitpicking tiny details like that. Also, I could have sworn I put the fonts in there, but maybe something messed up. I'll have to see if they show up on a different computer (I presume whatever other typesetting issues you notice were mostly a result of the fonts not being there).
4: Not sure if you're referring to the outline box on the signs or the main font. If it's the signs, the reason I left it white is the same reason I didn't fix the fade: time. If it's the main font, I think that's mostly a matter of preference. I tried to make the outline color blend in with the brick walls in the background.

All in all, we'll do more thorough quality-checking in the future. Like I said before, I was sick of editing this file and I wanted to get it uploaded before people completely forgot about this show. We welcome any and all constructive criticism.

@zsax

can you be more specific about the romaji? Is there just an error here and there or are most of the lines wrong?

Edit: Any errors in the romaji are certainly not on purpose. We took some liberties with the translation, but nothing too unreasonable in my opinion. Also, I don't get what's so bad about a pink outline on a song sub. It's a song about love.

it wouldn’t be that hard to do 1080p as well

I meant reencoding 1080p rip to 720p would result in a better video than what you have now, unless you mess it up really hard.

First of all, 20 seconds isn’t enough to tell the consistency in timing for an entire episode.

If you have a couple of bad lead-ins and lead-outs in the first 20 seconds one can safely guess how the rest of the episode will be. "Better than HS" isn't a very high bar. Your timing seems to be off by one frame, too.

I could have sworn I put the fonts in there, but maybe something messed up

You muxed Mentone lig semibold while sign is tagged as bold mentone (without lig).

I understand that the fading is slightly off.

It's not slightly. And if you can't make the sign look good simply doing \an8 or CR-style TS may be a better option.

Is there just an error here and there or are most of the lines wrong?

Bunch of words, which is kinda bad because you had an official english TL to work with. Also, translating a shounen show and not recognizing 覚悟 is galaxy-brain tier. Good luck making people believe your subs are accurate after that.

Also, I don’t get what’s so bad about a pink outline on a song sub.

It's frequently used as example of bad styling because outline is really bright, so it's one of the first things that comes to mind if you want to make subs purposefully bad. Although it's not that bad if it's just for opening.

Yup, there's lots of Timing issues like in Amazon Subs. Your TL is better than Amazon TL. So i'll use yours. I'm currently subbing it, but was missing TL. Thanks

@zsax

I meant reencoding 1080p rip to 720p would result in a better video than what you have now, unless you mess it up really hard.

That seems like overkill. If we wanted to use the 1080p source video, we might as well just release it in 1080p. I'll check to see if the audio is better, and if so, we'll probably just do all future releases in 1080p for that reason.

If you have a couple of bad lead-ins and lead-outs in the first 20 seconds one can safely guess how the rest of the episode will be.

Ok, that's a fair point. I wasn't too sure how to do extremely short lines like that; I thought maybe having the text there a little longer than I would like was necessary, but I guess it's not. I'll go read a style guide to see what they say.

RE: fading

I'll mess around with some other effects and see what I can come up with. I was just doing a simple \fad before, which is hard to configure for more complex situations. I will look at \an8 like you suggested, but if I can't make it look good I'll just try to write it in small print below the Japanese text instead of whiteboxing over it.

Also, translating a shounen show and not recognizing 覚悟 is galaxy-brain tier.

Thanks for pointing that out. There were two or three words we weren't sure about, and that was one of them. We'll go back and take another look at our song translation.

You muxed Mentone lig semibold while sign is tagged as bold mentone (without lig).

I'll investigate that, but is that the only font issue? Did the other fonts work as expected?

It’s frequently used as example of bad styling because outline is really bright

I know bright outlines are generally frowned upon, but by having it super thick I think the text is still readable.

Although it’s not that bad if it’s just for opening.

My thoughts exactly. I may decide to darken the outline a little on the dialogue subs as well, since I'll have to go back and look at all that other stuff too.

Since most shows are only animated at 720p, the reason you’d encode a 1080p rip to 720p is that the 1080p rip has more information (higher bitrate) than the 720p rip, so you’d get a higher quality native res video without wasting file size on upscale bloat. The process only takes maybe an hour at most, so there’s not really any real reason not to do it.

It sounds like you’re doing all the typesetting by hand. A lot of the process can be significantly sped up and improved if you use the scripts other people have already written. I would highly recommend looking at unanimated’s typesetting guides.

@Squark

I looked at those typesetting guides, and man is this stuff way more complicated than I thought, and I already thought it was overly complicated to begin with. I'm definitely not going to put nearly as much effort as the author of that guide did into my own typesetting, since people don't seem to care as much about typesetting these days compared to a few years ago.

Honestly, if it takes too long to fix episode 1 and get episode 2 out, we may drop this series. I'll give it a couple of days to see what we can do, but I think we're in over our head here.